Catholic Architecture and History of Toledo, Ohio: What Part Of Obedience...

Thursday, May 31, 2007

What Part Of Obedience...

...does Fr. Leyland not understand? The man needs to shut up and stop stirring up trouble. He, and his parishioners, should be ashamed of themselves.

10 comments:

Alex Fries said...: ? Who is that?; May 31, 2007 at 8:29:00 AM EST
Anonymous said...: Exactly right.; May 31, 2007 at 8:30:00 AM EST
Pro Ecclesia said...: Pray for Fr. Nuss, the former Toledo Vocations Director, who has been assigned to be the new pastor of this parish. He has his work cut out for him.; May 31, 2007 at 9:52:00 AM EST
Jeffrey Smith said...: Alex: He was removed as pastor in Perrysburg because he thinks he knows better than the bishop.
Jay: I wouldn't want to be in his position. Too many idiots who think the Church is a democracy.; May 31, 2007 at 11:15:00 AM EST
Anonymous said...: First of all, suggesting that anyone -- priest or not -- should "shut up" if you don't support his position is unkind and most certainly uncharitable.

I'm sure that I'll get slammed for this, but is obedience requied for business decisions? This is not a matter of church teaching. These were business decisions about which Fr. Leyland objected. Fr. Leyland is very obedient on those issues and is an example of devoted adherenece to church teachings. I tend to think that requiring priests to "shut up" when they object to how a bishop is managing the diocese is the same kind of mentality that permitted the abuse of children to continue. I suspect that there were many people who suggested that if a priest objected to a transfer of an abusive priest by the bishop that they were branded as "disobedient" and also told to "shut up" too by well-meaning catholics.

I know that the church isn't a democracy but I don't think that anyone should be able to invoke "obedience" as a way of protecting rather than evaluating business decisions.

Father Leyland is a good and kind man. He is also very devoted to the church and it's teachings, but he is a man of principle.

BTW, lest we forget that the Vatican already ruled against how Bishop Blair "acquired" some of the money of parishes that were closed but who held assets rather than deficits. Bishop Blair closed parishes that had assets and then the diocese acquired them. He twinned parishes that deficits so that the "sister parish" acquired their debt. The Vatican ruled against that saying that the Bishop had the right to supress parishes, but that he must twin parishes that had assets rather than use that as a means of acquiring revenue for the diocese.

Prayers are needed for Father Nuss, but not in the way that you think. He isn't without his baggage either . . .; June 4, 2007 at 11:33:00 PM EST
Jeffrey Smith said...: Yes, you will get slammed. Obedience does include business decisions and no priest, or layman, has the least right to publicly criticize. Turning it into a media circus, makes me wonder about his faithfulness.
Do not even think of trying thr abuse card with me. I know too much about the situation to be scared out of speaking the truth by that. The days of its effectiveness for your sort are numbered.
Any priest takes a vow of obedience. Frankly, Fr. Leyland should be exiled to a monastery until he learns to have an ounce of sense. If he's dumb enough not to recognize the need for the new parish, he certainly doesn't have that.
I'll ignore the nonsense at the end of your comment. It does, however, prove what a bad job Fr. Leyland has been doing. You certainly haven't done him any favors.; June 5, 2007 at 4:10:00 AM EST
Anonymous said...: Do not even try to use the abuse card with me? What does that mean? Come on. Even Bishop Blair admits that it is rare that these cases aren't true. Let's make a deal -- I'll ignore your nonsense about telling another human being to shut up and you can ignore my nonsense too.; June 6, 2007 at 12:34:00 AM EST
Jeffrey Smith said...: I will never ignore an attack on the Church. Take your nonsense to the Blade, where it will find a warm welcome. It certainly isn't welcome here. Any further comments will be deleted.
As for abuse, what the hell does that have to do with the discussion? Nothing. People like you use it as a tool to intimidate anyone who tries to defend the Church you hate, even on matters that aren't even remotely connected. That won't work here. This is not a debating society and I, and I alone, decide the policy of this blog. Good bye.; June 6, 2007 at 3:49:00 AM EST
Hooda Thunkit (Dave Zawodny) said...: Just goes to prove that obedience and discipline need to be restored within the Church.

Amen Jeffrey, Amen.

Obedience to the Pope and obedience to his Bishops...

If there is a problem, God Almighty will sort it out.; June 6, 2007 at 6:57:00 PM EST
Pro Ecclesia said...: "As for abuse, what the hell does that have to do with the discussion? Nothing. People like you use it as a tool to intimidate anyone who tries to defend the Church you hate, even on matters that aren't even remotely connected."

Exactly right, Jeffrey. Not to toot my own horn or anything, but this is Anderson's Law in action.

Hey anonymous, you lose.; June 7, 2007 at 8:47:00 AM EST